Friday, December 16, 2011

Big Bang and God Are the Same

Creationists sneer at the Big Bang theory. Astrophysicists exclude God from their equation. But it's all the same, meeting the same paradox. They differ only in names. None answers the question.

So, what's the question? Simply: how did it all start?

In case of a divine creation out of nothingness, creatio ex nihilo, that's not a real nothingness to begin with, since God is there. If God's not nothing, there's something – even though that something is very different from the something of our universe.

In case of the Big Bang, already the Greeks told us that something cannot come out of nothing. At least there had to be a something making something possible to appear out of nowhere.

The astrophysicists are starting to seriously question the Big Bang idea, regarding the notion that it would have happened out of nothing. A bunch of theories are being presented and tested, as much as can be done in this field.

Also the idea of an ever-present universe, although dynamic, is revived by some scientists.

No Time

Augustine of Hippo, 354-430 CE.
Time is at the core of the problem, whether we imagine an eternal universe or not. Christianity and Big Bang theory are much the same regarding time, as well. Already in the 4th century, Augustine said that there's no point in asking what existed before God said “Let there be light!” since that was when God created time as well. There was no before.
Which is exactly what the Big Bang theory claims.

Even in a theory of an eternal universe, time is at the core – or it could not be eternal.

I wonder if time exists at all as a separate entity. There is movement, there is change. If there is neither movement nor change, where is time?

Maybe we should stop regarding time as a dimension, but just the movement within the dimensions of space. Then we would say – sort of like the Buddhist – that everything changes, always. Seeing the start here or there is of little relevance. It's just a lot of movement between things in relations to one another. Now it's here, now it's there.

The Effect Is the Cause

Aristotle, 384-322 BC.
The natural sciences are founded on Aristotle's principle of cause and effect. Something happens because of something else. That's also timeline thinking. Before and after.

Even if we imagine a universe where cause is preceded by effect – as if the latter is longing for the former – it's still on a timeline, although reversed. It's an interesting line of thought, though. Kind of religious. The divine plan, the goal deciding how the voyage will be.

Actually, it's often very difficult to decide where in time to place the cause – before or after the effect. That's because it's not always clear which is which. The chicken or the egg.

Maybe that's the true difference between a divine reality and a physical one: In the former, the effect is the cause, because it's what God intended, so the result was actually what caused the cause, so to speak.

In a strictly physical universe, though, there has to be a cause initiating the process to lead to the effect, and that effect is nothing but a result of the cause, since there is no intention towards it. Things happen because that's how things work.

But in a universe where there is no will or intention between cause and effect, there is no way of assuring their order of power. Something moved from here to there, because of this or that. Well, since it is now there, the cause was bound to get it there and could not get it elsewhere. So, what is cause and what is effect?


The human being has struggled long with the concept of free will: I want to go there, so I can. Otherwise I would remain here forever. The Greeks thought a lot about it, and so did people in many other cultures and eras. They wondered, how are we at all able to move?

Intention makes it happen. Without intention, no movement.

So, everyone thought that this must somehow be true for everything in the universe. Some kind of intention, or there would be no movement, no change, and the whole universe would be like dead. In every meaningful way of looking at it, the universe would cease to exist if nothing happened to it or inside of it.

Like an Idea

I've always found the Big Bang theory amusing, because it's so close to the concept of God's creation. In a vast nothingness (actually, in the Bible this nothing is a primordial sea), God says: “Let there be light!” Suddenly, bang! Everything appears.

God creates light. Bible illustration by Gustave Doré.
It's like an idea. I get an idea, which grows like an explosion in my mind, adding details that quickly become more and more defined. Shapes and objects appear in a chaotic cloud of thoughts. Big Bang is like a sudden idea in the head of God.

Who Can Know?

But, as mentioned above, God is no final cosmogony. He just leads to new questions: What is God? Where did He come from? Et cetera.

Whether there's some kind of God or not, we shouldn't use Him to stop ourselves from continued inquiry.

Modern science is so complex, most of us feel completely incapable of following its thoughts. But the Greeks have shown us that still today, even the most advanced scientists wrestle with the same questions the Greeks asked themselves. Can there have been a beginning? Can something come out of nothing?

So, I suspect that the solution to the problem of the origin of the universe is either unfathomable or accessible to us all.

That's precisely why I allow myself cosmological speculations like this one, although minutely introduced to astronomy. That, and the kick it gives my imagination.

I also suspect that the key to the origin of the universe is not to be found in the distant past or the distant future, but in the here and now.

Something or Nothing

We're still just starting to understand what the universe is, how it works, and of what it consists. So, I doubt that we know enough to ask the right question.

Let's go back to nothing and something. The Greeks said (well, some of them) that something cannot come out of nothing. Nor can something turn into nothing, but that's not questioned by astrophysics.

So, if we imagine a something that seems to be enclosed in nothing, it must be all there is. Such a universe, then, must in some way always have been and always will be. No starting or ending dates. The dynamics of it, the movement and changes, can be whatever – but it has to be there always.

Well, if the movement and changes stop completely, utterly completely, it sort of ceases to exist – except for the fact that it has a history, it has moved towards non-movement. Then the question is: can it move again? If so, that's not the complete stop. Can something stop so completely that it can never move again?

That would be the very end of what astrophysicists call the Big Freeze. Even though it's so extremely far off, I would say it's the prospect we prefer the least. It's so sad.

Now, if we imagine instead that our universe is something contained in another something creating it somehow – then the answer to the question of the origin of the universe is none other than the origin of that bigger something in which our universe was created. So, we're back to square one.

Prime Mover Tao

If we look again at the idea of movement and change, making time just a way of mapping these things, then there's no point in searching a beginning or an end, but the process by which things move and change. That's mostly in line with Einstein and his quest for a unified field theory – or Aristotle's Prime Mover.

Lao Tzu.
It also happens to be very near what Lao Tzu thought about Tao, the Way, in his Tao Te Ching, the Taoist classic. He described Tao as a primordial natural law from which the universe took form. That law was present before the universe, and would be there even if no universe emerged, still ruling exactly how a universe would be, if bursting out.

To Lao Tzu, though, the nature of that Tao primordial law was such that a universe was bound to come. The birth of the world was part of the nature of Tao. So will the future death of the universe be, although just vaguely implied by Lao Tzu.

Things emerge out of Tao and return to it, eventually. Therefore, so will a universe born out of it. That compares well to the astronomical theory of the Big Crunch – or the Big Bounce, where an oscillatory universe goes on forever.

Ever-Present Law

The Big Bang theory mentions the moment of the Bang, before which no natural law can be specified. It's called the Planck time, 10-43 seconds after the Big Bang. That may be true for gravity and such, but not for the law that makes it possible for a universe to come banging.

There has to be a Tao for that, if it can happen at all. A Prime Mover making the universe appear in whatever shape. The truly unifying field theory should encompass that force.

That's why I think we can focus on the present. If there is one law, one force, by which our universe was possible to emerge – then that law is ever-present. Finding it, we have the key to everything.

I think it's possible to find, if we just get the idea. And I think that it has much of the characteristics of an idea.

We Find What We Seek

Frankly, I have my doubts about reality. It might be more like the computer age expression “what you see is what you get” than we are comfortable with. Or the much older expression: “Seek and ye shall find.” To find anything we must be looking for it, and we must be able to see it as it is.

We can't say anything for certain about the world we live in, until we are sure about how to extract objective reality from our impression of it.

For example, the Big Bang theory would have been impossible for us to accept without the previous notion that the world had a starting date. So, we searched for a start and we thought we found it.

Maybe we did and maybe we didn't find the worlds starting point, but the real lesson is that we find what we seek and rarely something else. Discoveries tend to come when we are prepared to accept them, or even wish for them.

What reality is really like is certainly something very different from what our senses perceive. Instruments of our science have shown that to be true, even with something as basic as what we see with our eyes, which is just one part of the spectrum. Other parts give very different views. So, what does the world look like when everything can be seen?

Imagination Is Real

There are patterns. The more we see and learn about the universe, the more intricate the patterns of its working are. But still, when we are able to take it all in, the patterns will stand out and show a design and point to a solution.

My bet is on that solution being just as metaphysical as it is physical. To understand the universe we must accept all the ways by which we perceive it. One of the major ingredients, then, is our imagination, our fantasy.

I think that fantasy is no less real than the rest. It just works in different ways, expresses the fundamental law of nature differently. But it's part of what the universe is made: “We are such stuff as dreams are made on.”

I don't mean it in a symbolic way, like the poet searching a metaphor to express his sentiment. I mean it. In the world of atoms, gravitation, electricity, et al. Imagination is a major force in the universe, maybe the only one. Otherwise it wouldn't be able to encompass the universe. And we can't perceive any other universe than the one we imagine.


  1. "What reality is really like is certainly something very different from what our senses perceive."

    That can not be possibly true. For then farming would be impossible. If we did not know nature, how would we know the need to plow the soil, put in manure, water it, grow seed on it.

    To be a philosopher, I would think requires being an agrarianist. I've worked on a Christmas Tree farm. You have to know reality to get things accomplished. Fungus and beetle pests are constantly attacking, the Ph of the soil needs to be considered. Does a farmer know reality? Surely, he does--or else he could not farm.

    The Doric Greeks discovered the Natural Law. Plato says this: "And so by reason of the smallest part or class, and of the knolwedge which resides in this presiding and ruling part of itself, the whole State, being thus constituted according to nature, will be wise; and this, which has the only knowledge orthy to be called wisdom, has been ordained by nature to be of all classes the least." (Republic, B. Jowett translation, 429)

    Nature is constructed around certain laws. The Cretans saw "Order in nature". They said, "Look on Creation, See Order, Know God". (Paraphrase from the Laws). Order presupposes Intelligence and Intelligence exists in something. The whole of the cosmos is ordered on these metaphysical laws of nature.

    Xenophon writes, "...does not nature teach righteousness", the dictum that all things are constructed to do one thing? One has to be a reader of Nature. We have to pull that out from nature.

    Otherwise it is mind-boggling to consider the Big Bang, Time, Creation and such. It is all very interesting to contemplate it.

  2. Think you are right about imagination.
    (Besides, about Tao Te Ching ..

  3. WLW, thanks for your wise comment. I should have said "What all of reality is like..." Of course, we know some of it. Farming must be one of the best ways of realizing and practicing that. "Il faut cultiver notre jardin."

    What I see in these practices is how we define an area and a need, learning to control and utilize it. We define sort of a microcosmos, which we learn to master. That way, we even learn how to fly with ridiculously heavy machinery.

    But it doesn't mean we understand reality as a whole. We've just learned to handle part of it.

    Another thing, which I regret not having examined enough yet: When the old Greeks said God, what did they mean, exactly? Probably the divine as sort of an entity separate from earthly creatures, or the plural of all divine creatures. Sort of like Elohim.

    Once, I wanted to do my history of ideas dissertation on what "God" is, exactly, but my professor reminded me that the literature on the subject during the last, say, 2,400 years is practically impenetrable.

  4. Eric, yes I saw your blog post. It's strange that our long-time Christian society needs an old Chinese to remind us about compassion.

  5. Thru the principle of macrocosm/microcosm we know all of reality. As it goes in the small, so goes the larger. Everything repeats. Nature teaches macrocosm/microcosm.

    Nature teaches "Ex Uno plures"---"Out of One, Many". That is what a patriarch is. Take a large rock, smash it, you have a ton of little rocks. This is what the Big Bang is, "Ex Uno, plures". Out of one big bang---all the diversity in the cosmos.

    We don't know all of it, but certainly the Natural law, the metaphysical laws of nature, are throughout nature. Even God ensconces within himself the Natural Law.

    On the other hand, the Cosmos is mysterious. Life is mysterious. The relationship between men and women and women are certainly mysterious to men--even after living with them for 6000 years! Do we know what goes on in our domestic cats? Don't they Rule? And electricity. Electricity is still a mystery. Life is a mystery. We know some of it--we don't know all of it.

  6. Indeed, there are different schools of thought. It is up to you which to believe.

  7. All I can say is predictions are not true even if it's in the bible. I am doing online dissertation proposal writing about great believers.

  8. way of looking at it, the universe would cease to exist if nothing happened to it or inside of it.

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